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Roman, I can't figure out what you read into what I wrote. I was saying that to worry about anything, even the worry of whether you are lusting, is a lust, because it takes away your ability to be aware of your true needs. The only time a lust can…
5 hours ago
AVSR == "African Violet Society of Rochester" ...hmmm
10 hours ago
Roman, mental blindness due to emotion is the sin. Lust is just a cause. The act of worrying of lusting is in itself a lust. Lust, from the word "luster" refers to wanting something so much that it gains a priority in your heart high enough that y…
10 hours ago
Exactly!! It requires lust. Lust is desire so strong that it causes blindness. I comes from the word "luster" and refers to something so appealing that the finer concerns cannot be discerned. Jesus hardly qualifies.
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There is a very common misunderstanding that a "cause" is something that preceded in time. A cause is a situation. "What causes a leaf to appear green?" "What is the cause for this big box not fitting into that small box?" A situation can cause an…
yesterday
I know WHAT they believe. I wanted to know Eric's reason for believing it.
on Sunday
Well, I wanted to hear his explanation as to why he believes that God was once a man. But now I have to go to his site to get that.
on Sunday
All they say is actually true. ]:o)
on Sunday
What possible reason would I have to want to "shame you" into anything? I can't quote a "hateful word" because it was the context, the situation, not the specific words.
on Sunday
"Avoid the appearance of evil" Jeff, all of us saw and commented on it. Nuff said.
on Saturday
No Jeff, What we ALL saw and commented on was NOT your attack on the "Chruch", but HOW you were doing it - angrily, hatefully, with disdain AT the person even though your aim was his "Chruch".
on Saturday
The "err" that I referred to was in my attitude, not in what I said. "Meekness" does NOT mean "behind in line", that would be "humbleness". Meekness specifically means "small and quiet". You are anything but meek. I have no problem with "speaking…
on Saturday
Well okay, if you want to have this conversation in 2 places, I guess I have to post in both places as well.. First, if I erred, especially against my own preaching, then please forgive me. Do NOT copy my mistakes, nor allow for me to defend them.…
on Saturday
And btw, "Nazi" might be a mere pejorative term to you, but it describes something particular and defined to me. I was using it as an actual description, not "name calling".
on Saturday
First, if I erred, especially against my own preaching, then please forgive me. Do NOT copy my mistakes, nor allow for me to defend them. Second, I did not consider that post to be hatefully delivered although someone might have. IF they did, then…
on Saturday
Remember that thread when Sid and I "went at it"? Have no doubt, that if I were to treat you with such disdain as you treat Eric and pick at each and every error, despite your stubbornness and strong mindedness, there would be nothing left for you t…
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SIAUV
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Christianity
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Judaism
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"Civility is highly subjective. " -- Until it is brought into the light.

All belief is subjective, UNTIL light is shone upon it so as to fully see what it is and isn't.

In truly full light, nothing is subjective any longer.

The dark night of knowing nothing gives way to the early realization that some things can be known. The early light gives way to the increase of more and more being clear and known. The clarity of the noonday Sun gives way to the even-ing of doubt in what was known. The pervading doubt gives way to complete darkness of another time of suspicion that nothing can be certain. Guided only by the orb and dim reflection of true light, life continues through shadows and suspicions in fear of the weary-wolf and the vamp.

This is reflected in Science as the electromagnetic wave. The electric field rises to a height but in doing so, it created a field of "magic-netism" which draws it back down and even to the opposite of what it had represented. But in doing so, it again produces a "magic-netism" that forces it to rise again into its former self.

The cycle from the light to the dark could be endless, but why make it so? Is there a good rational reason?

I am as the proton (masculine), heavy, firm, and bright positively charge. The subjective and the magical is as the electron (feminine), airy, soft, and dim negatively charged. In my day, I was smothered and even hidden by mystery and suspicion even though nothing was of mystery to me nor intentionally hidden.

I was stable. I was in the light yet not seen. Suspected yet not guilty. My electrons were striped from me by stronger environmental persuasion.

But the proton cannot be made to become negative even when barren. Its charge is even more revealed. Alone, in my presence all things are brought to the positive. The dark negative can never be a part of me.

Just take care, lightening has nothing over plasma.
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First Cause - Did You Mean Cause or BEcause?

There is a very common misunderstanding that a "cause" is something that preceded in time.

A cause is a situation. "What causes a leaf to appear green?" "What is the cause for this big box not fitting into that small box?"

A situation can cause an effect of appearance, size, or arrangement and is the result of static logic. Or it CAN also cause a change in the situation, a temporal cause. Due to the situation, an imbalance yields a motion, a change.

What is referred to as the "First Cause" co… Continue

Posted on December 15, 2009 at 12:00am —

James S Saint

The Philosopher Knows and Saving Mankind

Most people do not believe that Mankind needs saving, but that is a large part of why he actually does. He is not responding to actual threats because he is not interested. He is not interested because he does not believe any are real. He knows that he has created illusions of threats so as to spur interest in the directions of his interest and thus believes all threats are but reflections of his own design. Yet the real threats go unattended.

There is one thing that you can do to literally sav… Continue

Posted on December 11, 2009 at 8:30pm —

James S Saint

Logical Proof of the Existence of God

Definitions;
A god == who/whatever absolutely determines what can or cannot be.

The God == Who/Whatever absolutely determines all that can or cannot be.

If such a power and characteristic is not essential to being a god, then in what way is anything a god???

If it is not God that is doing the determining, then whatever other idea you have for "God" would be subject to the determiner and could only do what that determiner allowed and in fact, would only do what that… Continue

Posted on December 10, 2009 at 11:00pm — 12 Comments

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First Amendment to the Constitution of the Rational Union of Realists

The Representative received a request for an amendment from a union member stating,

“I think we should do unto others as we would have them do unto us.”

The Representative dutifully verified from whom the request came and passes it on to the senator. The Senator read it and thought, “Hmm.. that seems to be a pretty popular idea. I think we could live with that.” So he then typed up a formal amendment to their constitution;

“Hence forth, within this union, we shall each treat others as we woul… Continue

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 4:30pm —

James S Saint

Designing a Worthy Religion

I said “worthy religion” because if it isn’t worth doing, why bother? But what makes something worth doing? Many will argue the good and bad of just about anything and demand “proof” to the contrary of their opinion. Thus establishing any group effort becomes a serious issue and especially if it is called a “religion”.

But regardless of the impetus to disagree with anything and everything, we can still take a look at what is necessary and worthy concerning a “new religion”.

A religion is a “… Continue

Posted on December 3, 2009 at 1:30am — 21 Comments

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At 4:41am on November 28, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
Check out the Considering Using a Wiki topic again. I updated the image. I know we discussed the possible pitfalls of using a wiki, but with MediaWiki we can hire programmers to put in any features we need, plus there are thousands of ready made plugins that do anything you can imagine.
At 6:24pm on August 30, 2009, Rachel Marie McDonnell said…
To answer your question...Some ppl take Wicca to be all about casting spells and the like, and in that case I don't practice, I study. Wicca's been the only thing that held to my beliefs instead of telling me what to believe. nature based, compassion based. Do unto others, harm none... Wicca covers a very broad spectrum. I go no father than saying I'm a solitary eclectic; I'm not initiated, never met a coven, but I've been studying for about 12 years, on and off. I have my own belief system and Wicca fits that very comfortably, while leaving me much room to grow and explore. Such as finding my way here... which all started with a weird dream prompting me to look up the word "Kashi" (not the cereal stuff).
At 9:59pm on August 27, 2009, The Kernel said…
Hey James, Check this out when you have a moment.

http://fora.tv/2009/08/14/Karen_Armstrong_Charter_for_Compassion#fullprogram
At 1:21pm on July 21, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
A little more regarding our conversation yesterday on getting RG up to snuff. Starting with "just a great idea" can be highly beneficial, and a great example of this is the MyMythos project, which also pretty much has no product, but is now being funded by a very successful group.

If the funded projects for MyMythos do well, then we'll do more and the MyMythos empire will begin to take root. Thus, success.
At 9:51am on July 12, 2009, onequbit said…
Of course, many things said here can be misinterpreted. Human language has it's limits, and religion is where those limits affect us the most. I think Religion 2.0 should include among other things an awareness of the limitation of language to define spirituality and expressing it in a religion. If the definition and expression can be adopted by anyone without contradictions or conflicts, I would call that a "true religion". I don't advocate proselytism, yet somehow I feel that a proper education would lead individuals down the path we are forging. On the other hand, some would argue all of this kind of talk is merely a pipe-dream and we are only stroking our own spirtual egos. I for one am curious to see where it goes.
At 5:32pm on July 7, 2009, Sidian M.S. Jones said…
Comment in chat I made after you left:

You make such extravagant claims about the failure of others in the field, then present your cure, then are unwilling to demonstrate it.

I think this comment is quite relevant. If you believe in the debate model so much, why shouldn't be able to play it out a little yourself, gather the results perfect or not, and display the results so people can see what you're getting at?

I don't see why this would be an extravagant proposition.
If you can show us a general idea where the model is heading then we can all see the big picture that you seem to see.
At 1:25am on July 3, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
I simply don't want to misrepresent myself, what about: "I was logically bested by James S Saint"?
At 6:37pm on July 2, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
As much as I'd like to, the consequence of my losing would be intolerable. I will respectfully decline :)
At 12:22pm on June 30, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
I guess the one's I'm most familar with are the Abrhamic Gods (Abraham by the way, was one of the WORST fathers lol).

It doesn't really matter what God though, as my argument would likely be the same ("God[s] is either bound by logic and has a clear ontology, or lacks logical structure and is therefore chaotic").
At 12:34pm on June 29, 2009, Marshall Banana said…
For example:

Debaters A and B argue over the existence of God, yet neither bother to define God. To say "the Judeo-Christian one" isn't enough, what about denomination. Domination also isn't enough, as God will still lack a clear ontology.

I love debating with my dad, he says "God is God" or "I am that I am", and I say "Green Eggs and Ham" :)
 
 

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Roman, I can't figure out what you read into what I wrote. I was saying that to worry about anything, even the worry of whether you are lusting, is a lust, because it takes away your ability to be aware of your true needs. The only time a lust can…
5 hours ago
God said lust is good! Its just supposed to be focused on one's wife. God likes sex, and I think its one of His best inventions. He also told us who such a powerful drive should be used.
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Bias against whom please Roman?
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To summerise my comments from way back in the way back on this thread.... First I said... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Was Jesus a wanker? - Redefine God - Open Source Religion and Religion 2.0: Ex…
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Jeff, I didn’t mean for you to go into detail, I was merely trying to convey what I saw as an imbalance in JSS’s statement of even worrying about the possibility of lusting (or fantsizing as you put it). Regarding ‘Lust’, the Oxford Concise English…
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Roman, Actually Roman, I don't have to fantasize about other women when having sex with my wife... She's that good. I think I do ok for her too. Yes I talk to my wife about sexual thought life. How else would she know my wants- dreams- and desires…
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Avoid the Q why don't you. JfC! You seriously telling me you even worry about the possibility of lusting? You telling me that during your sexual acts your wives might feel they have sinned in some way when thoughts of the likes of George Clooney or…
9 hours ago
AVSR == "African Violet Society of Rochester" ...hmmm
10 hours ago
Roman, mental blindness due to emotion is the sin. Lust is just a cause. The act of worrying of lusting is in itself a lust. Lust, from the word "luster" refers to wanting something so much that it gains a priority in your heart high enough that y…
10 hours ago
Roman, I'm not being preachy on this because I didn't live the right way. I'm first to confess it. I also know it complicated my life not to follow the scripturally mandated sexual morals. Think of it.... It may be beyond the ability of most to ke…
11 hours ago
Here we go again. So according to you two, the inevitable personal momentary application of lustful imagery that often accompanies masturbation is and evil sin? You mean to tell me you only picture beautiful sunsets when you climax? C’mon!
12 hours ago
Exactly!! It requires lust. Lust is desire so strong that it causes blindness. I comes from the word "luster" and refers to something so appealing that the finer concerns cannot be discerned. Jesus hardly qualifies.
13 hours ago
Actually Roman, people who claim the Bible forbids masturbation don't have any basis. If they refer to Onan, his sin was disobedience. The issue, if there is one is lust, or coveting.
13 hours ago
You know jeff there maybe hope for you yet...LOL.....If you flip over into the MU discussiion and Romans, heavy emphisis upon Imagination as our salvation, you begin to see a bit more clearly how we literalize, in the form of the ark of the Covenant…
13 hours ago
I also like how the analogy is with food: in order for food to do us any good, we must receive it, or individually eat it...sombody else cannot eat it for us. Jesus was the manna, the true bread of life, that came down as a seed (in the womb of his…
15 hours ago
What sort of sick mentality still attributes masterbation to phrases like 'self-abuse' with all its very damaging connotations, of which originate from and regretfully continue to this day amongst puritanical religious convictions?
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