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Are you sure about that Jeff? taken literally... this means you do not believe in God's word that is complied in the "Big Book" ?... God's word is any many places...sometimes it's not a word... it's a symbol... and better yet...a signal.
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At this point in time I agree with this one gneo. I wonder if Carl Jung was the first to come up with this. He probably was at least one of the first. In my case, getting de-programmed from seminars I took at Landmark Education (formerly est and one…
p.s. I realize you likely meant God as an emergent structure of the cosmos, prior to Homo Sapiens' arrival on Earth, and that is brilliant as well of course. As it still goes against the grain of our status quo paradigm that a creator God must have…
This one blew me away gneognostic, as I had never been exposed to this idea / theory before I don't think. (I say I don't think as my memory, even at age 47, isn't so great anymore. Probably because of having bipolar disorder. I have a fortunate cas…
@james, ahh, I see. I think.
Beavers, in their quest to guide life toward a chosen path, have wrecked considerable environmental havoc with their dam building. Meteors have struck the earth, for fun I suppose, and caused massive destruction. To me,…
doug, I'm glad you've found a story that gives you what you need in life - to be removed from the animal kingdom and its associations, to be a rebel against perceived scientific orthodoxy, to be the "good son" of some sky-father. To live in a world…
@gary, I think the quotes I presented demonstrate that religion can be evidence embracing. Many of the worlds greatest and most perceptive scientists, the giants whose shoulders we stand on, have been religious in various ways. Since the enlightenme…
james, you make the most sense to me when you're talking plato - about abstract labels (platonic forms), and the "divine realm". so to you, human consciousness is the ability to perceive forms, the bridge between the dual worlds.
My take on form is…
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- What religion, if any, do you adhere to?
- discordian? chaote? non-dual gnostic? pagan? weird-atheist?
- At least 3 subjects I am interested in.
- I'm a dilletante - I don't have much depth of understanding of any specific fields, but I like to think the number of fields I have a shallow understanding of makes up for it in the cross-discipline connections.
hard science - physics up to copenhagen (I find string theory baffling but fascinating), evolutionary bio, maths.
cog sciences - psych (esp. jungian), linguistics (undergrad major), social psych.
social sciences - sociology (topics in education, ethnicity and culture), anthro, history.
philosophy (east and west), comparative religion, global mysticisms, hermeticism, kaballah, sufism, gnosticism
- Pose a question to the RG community?
- Is there anything that ISN'T god?
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Jesus on the gender dichotomy
Jesus saw some babies nursing. He said to his disciples, "These nursing babies are like those who enter the (Father's) kingdom."
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in plac… Continue
They said to him, "Then shall we enter the (Father's) kingdom as babies?"
Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in plac… Continue
Posted on October 18, 2009 at 1:08pm — 19 Comments
Those who struggle with god
I love religious paths, I think they're awesome and fascinating and variously fulfilling. generally, I feel like they don't quite fit with my outlook on things, especially because I feel like I need freedom to believe and not believe at my whim and leisure.
The path that I've felt most personally inclined to is judaism. the depth and richness of the cultural traditions, the beauty of the liturgy, the freedom and trepidation with which jews approach the divine. But judaism is a faith that is rea… Continue
The path that I've felt most personally inclined to is judaism. the depth and richness of the cultural traditions, the beauty of the liturgy, the freedom and trepidation with which jews approach the divine. But judaism is a faith that is rea… Continue
Posted on May 31, 2009 at 1:59pm — 2 Comments
I admire
-doone for his dogged devotion to the objective scientific worldview, expressed in countless diagrams and articles.
-Jeff H for his open mindedness and willingness to consider alternate frames of reference.
- doug for his passion and unshakable faith, the sheer totality of his surrender to the absurd.
and having said all that, I'm dropping out of the debates on evolution. I just find them infuriating and futile. RG is to me about collectively building frameworks for the relation to the divine t… Continue
-Jeff H for his open mindedness and willingness to consider alternate frames of reference.
- doug for his passion and unshakable faith, the sheer totality of his surrender to the absurd.
and having said all that, I'm dropping out of the debates on evolution. I just find them infuriating and futile. RG is to me about collectively building frameworks for the relation to the divine t… Continue
Posted on March 31, 2009 at 1:16pm — 4 Comments
Let the mystery be
Jeff has his christian rappers, Sid has his angry atheist rappers...
I have my agnostic folk singers. Carter Family + Bertrand Russel = Iris DeMent
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I have my agnostic folk singers. Carter Family + Bertrand Russel = Iris DeMent
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Posted on March 19, 2009 at 5:54pm — 4 Comments
The divine luthier
Imagine an instrument so sensitive and resonant that every centimeter of it produced some note when bowed, plucked or struck - a cello crossed with a piano with a bit of harp thrown in. It makes the most rich subtle music, capable of immense diversity of tone, timbre and volume. Its maker, the eminent luthier who built, stringed and tuned the instrument, must be herself a devoted lover of music and beauty, and must regard her creation with an infinite tenderness and satisfaction.
The human body… Continue
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Posted on March 3, 2009 at 1:12am — 1 Comment
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- At 10:38pm on October 20, 2009, doone gave gneognostic a gift…
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- At 9:34pm on May 9, 2009,
Darcy said… - Thanks!
- At 10:57am on May 9, 2009,
doone said…
- I have moved on from Evolution - I am now trying to prove that Jesus was a Buddhist to annoy Jeff H. It seemed unlikely at the start but I have uncovered some interesting tidbits of information. It is at least possible that Buddhist monks influenced Jewish thought in the years after 250 BC.
I was named MUwAM by "Doug" so I am keeping it as a badge of honor or dishonor - depending on your point of view.
- At 2:00pm on January 26, 2009,
Tom Arnold said… - Thanks of the comment. I appreciate it. I try to talk to everyone without anger and honestly to see their opinion and how I can learn from it.
Peace,
Tom
- At 8:52pm on January 9, 2009,
Denita said… - oh, well, thanks! I'd been thinking the bio was tooo long and considered shortening it to just the web page link.
One of the secrets to my success? Quit watching t.v. about 7th grade. Too boring. Flat roles for women. Would rather live life than watch someone else do it. Also, willing to be (financially) poor for many, many years - even to point of not having a home at times. Part time work only. No ironing. And so on. All of it equals more time for what's more important!
- At 3:19pm on January 3, 2009,
Toriach said… - Hey GN,
One of the earliest influences on my beliefs was the character of Spock from Star Trek. In the rather wonderful book Spock's World written in the early 80's by Diane Duane we learn more about the history of Vulcan and about the person who helped guide the planet onto a path of logical thought and self control Surak. Chthia is a Vulcan word that commonly gets translated as "logic" but is more precisely translated as "reality truth". Basically Ms. Duane envisioned Vulcan's system of self mastery as kind of a blend of Buddhism, Taoism, and Stoicism. And it's always worked fairly well for me, especially since as much as I find admirable in each of those systems there are also many things that I have problems with.
- At 10:53am on January 3, 2009,
RevLGKing said… - You asked: "One question in my mind is, does god also exist apart from, or transcendent from, the natural universe?"
The following is no doubt a repeat of what I have said elsewhere. It is strictly my opinion and offered without any intention of being doctrinaire:
GOD is that which is without borders, dimensions, whatever. As you imply below: "There is nothing that ISN'T god."
Check out John 4: 7-30--the story of Jesus and the Samaritan Woman--where Jesus defines God as "Spirit". The Greek for Spirit is 'pneuma'--which literally means air, wind, breath. In Jesus day air was a thing of great mystery, not unlike what we have in mind, today, when we think about the vacuum of infinite space into which the universe is expanding.
In John 3--the story of Nicodemus--Jesus equates 'pneuma' with coming to conscious awareness of self--being born again.
- At 3:38pm on December 1, 2008,
Quorpencetta said… - Is there anything that ISN'T god?
- I would propose this as a matter of perspective. In one sense I am God, and I am one with the universe. In this mood, I look at the outside world as being a reflection of my inner landscape, and it serves as a mirror through which I can practice self-reflection. But sometimes it is more gratifying to focus on the alien aspects of experience. Things that through (our separation) lack of understanding cause shock or fear or anger. Or perhaps romantic love, there's a fine line there sometimes. Because there is a kind of love that cannot be experienced for ones self but only for a Beloved Other. And the most romantic is the evolution of the experience of the alien from hate/fear into love.
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Surely simple humane led interjection and its achievable dominance is the best way to go, irrespective of religions and politics faltering ways, and by which its benevolent power will best instruct the world to a better state of existence.
More about the Christ of the Prosperity Bible:
Here is a link to a CNN article in which Pastors in the USA are preaching the Jesus was not only rich but:
Now, he says, his church has 9,000 members and a global ministry.
"That's so pathetic, to say…
Here is a link to a CNN article in which Pastors in the USA are preaching the Jesus was not only rich but:
Now, he says, his church has 9,000 members and a global ministry.
"That's so pathetic, to say that Jesus was struggling alone in the dust and…
Civilized discord is a part of the harmony that provides the contrast with which to see clearly.
Everything serves politics in war. Religion separate from political governments gives governments something to have discord with so as to keep it also…
According to scripture... Acts 10:40-41: "God raised this one [Jesus Christ] up on the third day and granted him to become manifest, not to all the people, but to witnesses appointed beforehand by God."
Why did not others see him too? Apparently he…
In the end - Was Jesus gay? I don't know. But what I do know is that a mythological character can be anything you want it to be.
Jeff, as I'm sure you well know, I can lead a horse to water, but in the end I can't make it drink. That's down to you. And yes I still care.
James
I agree, harmony is the goal to strive towards. Though as artistry and as especially in music, we need the expressional human outlets of discord (dischord) to fully appreciate the human experience, as in the sublime moments of the finest orch…
Clarify and Verify the Inspiration toward greater Momentum of Pure Harmony of the Living.
That which remains in harmony cannot perish.
Originally Posted by I Seek 2 ;
"I'm failing to see how the physical laws of the universe connect to law about how to live your life."
Yes, "fail to see". They call that blindness. And that is why there must be faith in those with sight, who do not…
Roman,
Usually I'm dropping in, throwing in a response or two, the out. If you want to think my mispellings are deliberate fine, but your watching movies no one else can see.
No you play the "everyone else thinks_____________" card. I coming to be…
The "I AM" was a statement of God's nature. His self sufficiency and His Omnipresence.
MAY YOU HAVE A BLESSED CHRISTMAS AND A PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR, WITH OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST.
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Jeff
I don’t think my one off key punch slip misspelling of ‘much’ for ‘mush’ is not the same as your pattern of continuous deliberate ‘then’ for ‘than’ word misapplications since RGs beginnings (check your records), which is as I’ve put it to you…
"You go on to say we are forced to conclude that either god was not perfect before he created the universe . . . or God was perfect before he created the universe. Here I find it interesting why you would call this a "conclusion" or end or close or…
James you say, "But if you examine every truth, you can regress causes for their truth back to a "First Cause" for anything being true. This was expressed in KJV by "I am that I am". That isn't exactly what the Hebrew meant. The first cause of reaso…
"My point earlier is that there can be no first cause a basis of reality, that is not logical."
What is the "illogic" exactly of there being a "First Cause"?
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